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Technology for Toddlers?
July 31st 2004, 06:53 CEST by Jibble

Kids learn a lot through manipulation of our three-dimensional world.  If you've ever sat down for a four-hour session of repetitive video gaming, you know what I'm getting at here.  Are kids really learning anything from all of those kid-oriented web sites, or are they just learning how to jump through the right hoop and then doing it over and over without additional challenge?  Do you think that the family discussed in the article is a typical example, or an exception to the norm?
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#8 by Gunp01nt
2004-07-31 10:14:02
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Regardless of the hordes of kids that defend playing Counter-Strike 8 hours a day but failing in school with: "But... but! You can make lots of money by winning tournaments! But you have to be really good, so I should play CS even more and don't go to school at all!"

#9 by Sgt Hulka
2004-07-31 10:22:24
Hey, look what it's done for me!

/me goes back to mopping up the booth

#10 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-07-31 12:03:07
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Well, I'm logging off for a full month - going to visit the mountains and then the seaside. Don't throw too many donkey punches while I'm gone.

"Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
#11 by jjohnsen
2004-07-31 15:49:33
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My daughter plays on the computer, or sits on my lap while I play Spider-Man on the xbox for maybe 3-4 hours a week.  She just isn't that interested, she'd rather be running around outside or reading.

Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
#12 by Hugin
2004-07-31 16:13:37
lmccain@nber.org
Have a nice time zugly. Take some pics to show for when you come back.
#13 by ProStyle
2004-07-31 18:16:44
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
"Young bloods can't spell but they could rock you in PlayStation
You wanna know how to rhyme you better learn how to add
It's mathematics"

A lil' wisdom from 'da streets courtesy Mos Def

Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the color from our sight
#14 by Jibble
2004-07-31 20:34:39
Heh.  Guess it serves me right to think this would be a worthwhile topic.  Is the "educational" value of puzzle games vastly overrated?  I think it depends on the title, but I also think kids will learn more from reading a book or solving a rubiks cube than they would playing Mario and trying to figure out the secret behind killing the bad guy at the end of level 6.  Myself, I plan to let my kids know what a computer is, but not to let them use it until they're old enough to handle goatse.cx.  In other words, my children will never touch a computer.

убийство!
#15 by Jibble
2004-07-31 20:39:41
Also, I think that videogames can actually prepare children for the mindless treadmill that is the real world beyond school.

убийство!
#16 by BobJustBob
2004-07-31 20:46:57
You're pregnant?

Dood.
#17 by ProStyle
2004-07-31 20:48:45
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
The earliest I got on a computer (with windows) I was eight. I learned alot by having to do things for myself (parents mostly gone) so early on I was trying to download game demos and unzip files, etc. Dealing with things directly and doing some problem solving is always helpful - however, that carried over to other aspects of my life and only in retrospect do I realize how I tried to deal with everything as having a mechanical solution.

I definately learned alot more than sitting around on those old Apple GII's or whatever the hell, with the green monitors and the massive floppy disk games. That was retarded, and I remember doing it at least one full day a week in elementary school as an entire class in the 'computer lab'.

I think it's cool that kids can learn to manipulate things in a '3d world' and all that jazz, but I have a really hard time thinking that same kid wouldn't benefit just as much and have alot more fun making a mess with some clay or paint.

Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the color from our sight
#18 by ProStyle
2004-07-31 20:50:23
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
Actually they'd benefit more because everything wouldn't be so black and white and broken down to simple variables. Mike Tysons Punch-Out is not a guide to life, no matter how many times you've beaten it.

Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the color from our sight
#19 by Jibble
2004-07-31 20:52:19
#17 ProStyle
I think it's cool that kids can learn to manipulate things in a '3d world' and all that jazz, but I have a really hard time thinking that same kid wouldn't benefit just as much and have alot more fun making a mess with some clay or paint.

To clarify, the "3d world" that I was talking about in the topic is the real world.  Kids learn basic skills through manipulating things like clay and paintbrushes.  I also remember those lame-ass computer lab days in grade school.  I used to play ASCII Oregon Trail.  Boy did I ever learn how to kill the letter "o" with the letter "i".

убийство!
#20 by Jibble
2004-07-31 20:53:26
I think I may have even killed a "y" or OH GOD IT'S FLOODING BACK URGE TO KILL LETTERS RISING

убийство!
#21 by m0nty
2004-07-31 21:18:28
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Hugin (#12):
Have a nice time zugly.

I'm glad zimbardo doesn't start with an f.
#22 by LPMiller
2004-07-31 21:28:34
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
my kid was using a computer to draw in paintshop when she turned 1 years old. once or twice a month, she might do an all day session of gaming, tops, and she's just finished second grade reading at a 6th grade level, who plays outside with her friends and spells better than I do. I'm not worried.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#23 by Dethstryk
2004-07-31 21:50:12
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I started on computers when I was around 6, and I'm 21 now. I navigated around DOS like a pro, and learning how to use a command-line OS at that young of an age helped me learn a lot of skills that I can't see a GUI teaching.

"The Square who is not Cool with the double dipping pecker!"
#24 by MCorleone
2004-07-31 21:56:18
I think you're focusing too much on literal physical world skills.  Did killing o with i teach you anything about the real world?  No, but it certainly eliminated your fear of computers, taught you that there can be other "realities" not impacting our own, such as computer games, taught you to interface with computers, use a keyboard, load programs, etc.  I owe my parents a huge debt for getting me a C64 when I was about 8.  Due to that I became very familiar with computers and am where I am today.  Balance is the key.  Alarmist luddite "COMPUTERS TEACH YOU NOTHING!!!!" is idiotic.  I'm getting my progeny on computers/game-boys/PDA's as soon as they're able.  To not do so puts them at a competitive disadvantage.

I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
#25 by Sgt Hulka
2004-07-31 22:22:22
I'm getting my progeny on computers/game-boys/PDA's as soon as they're able.


You HEATHEN!

#26 by brokenspacebar
2004-07-31 23:30:43
nigga_please826@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/funkadelic-cheese
well.. i dunno. games might be a good way to teach kids lessons. Take the hitmain games for instance. since placing them, i know how to kill someone with a piece of string, dispose of their body, and take their clothes, so i can infiltrate the base of the evil sheep smugglers. I mostly learned how to use computers by doing things myself. im sure my dad is fed up buying new computers when they stop working for no reason.

BTW: did anyone vote for the "longest word" topic?? anybody? one person??

Computer Games are a way to escape the wives of modern society
#27 by brokenspacebar
2004-07-31 23:32:55
nigga_please826@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/funkadelic-cheese
and i also drew my first stick man dying in paintshop

Computer Games are a way to escape the wives of modern society
#28 by MCorleone
2004-07-31 23:56:11
That's fascinating, brokenshiftkey, but where did you place them?

I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
#29 by brokenspacebar
2004-08-01 00:10:03
nigga_please826@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/funkadelic-cheese
oh i placed them in the convinient open manhole cover located nearby, so i wouldn't be detected by the russian guards with their ak 47s and racoon hats!

The worst thing about being a man - Women and Chilren First
#30 by Ryslin
2004-08-01 01:42:12
(waves piece of paper)
My son got a Imac for his birthday.

Me and his father use PC's.

Logic for an Imac? Simple, the interface is rather easy to navigate but definatly dangerous to mess with.
This imac has os 10.1 on it and is holding that by will of god alone. It is a original imac 266mhz with 64megs of ram. It can do basic internet and chess.
My son started the chess himself, and has gotten to the point he can go about 10 moves before forgetting what he was doing.
He visits pbskids and noggin, and already played them to death. His favorite part right now is the videos on noggin about the storys. He tells them with the narrator , thus improving his speach. He is capable of solving puzzles(jigzone.com) at 25 peices.

He does get a tad too involved in it, and we reconize that from our own inability to pull away from the computers ourselves. He renamed it ISSC(his name is isaac) and we cannot convince him to spell his name correctly(no its issc!). The computer is "his" and he looses privilages to it if he refuses to do normal things(eating, sleeping, thinking). We also have computer off time(quite alot) and the history channel goes on for background noise(he generally doesn't watch it). We did find that because we used music to keep him calm as a small child, he must have some kind of noise on. Music/talking/me and his father playing a game- any of that is enough to allow him to feel comfortable. I regret that now.

Just got a game boy, he gets that soon(need games). I know he is introverted and generally more nerdy than most kids. I will allow him some technical escapes.

Someone get the chlorine, We have food fuckers amongst us! THE POOL WILL BE CLEANED!
#31 by mnemonic
2004-08-01 02:10:01
xmnemonic@softhome.net http://jti.developer.graphyx.net
A computer will transform a child into a mindless monster.  Our only hope is to destroy all technology.
#32 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 02:10:37
Your child is [http://www.doomedthemovie.com]DOOMED![/url]

#33 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 02:10:58
/urk!

DOOMED!

#34 by Ryslin
2004-08-01 02:28:05
(waves piece of paper)
I don't know if he is Doomed. We have raised him to be an adult. Not a child that is over 18. Take that as you will.

Someone get the chlorine, We have food fuckers amongst us! THE POOL WILL BE CLEANED!
#35 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 02:47:50
Oh Rizzie, if I can call you that, I was just Razzing ya.  

Fo Shizzle.

#36 by yotsuya
2004-08-01 03:45:00
I still Doomed! is the Duke Nukem Forever of Indie Films!

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#37 by UncleJeet
2004-08-01 04:04:05
In Disney's planned community of Celebration, they threw TONS of cash at educational technology for its school system.  It failed miserably, and they went back to having teachers be proper teachers and computers be supplementary tools for research and aid.

Pick me!  Pick me!
#38 by jjohnsen
2004-08-01 04:13:13
http://www.johnsenclan.com
How is Celebration doing?  I read a book about it about 6 months after it opened and it was fascinating.

Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
#39 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 05:35:06
The US School system should show you that more money does not equal better education.  Laura Ingalls Wilder went to a school and didn't get a dime from the federal government and look at her!  She grew up to marry a guy named Almanzo!  Almanzo!

#40 by UncleJeet
2004-08-01 06:19:52
Celebration is doing fine now, with a waiting list a mile long to live there.  I think a nice planned community, where you have a good idea about what/who your neighbors and whole community are is a neat idea.  I'm not sure I'd want to live in Celebration, because I imagine its mostly filled with right wingers and people who make more money in an hour than I'll ever see in my lifetime.

Pick me!  Pick me!
#41 by MCorleone
2004-08-01 06:36:11
Jeet - Bought the T7700's, just put them in.  Too bad it's 12:30 so I can't really test them out but they sound good.  It does make a difference, especially in Painkiller.  I'm looking forward to trying out different games and hearing them for the first time.

I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
#42 by UncleJeet
2004-08-01 06:38:36
Excellent, MCorleone!  I hope you have as good of an experience with them as I have.  Thief 3 was a TOTALLY new game after I got the new sound card and 7.1 speakers.

Pick me!  Pick me!
#43 by G-Man
2004-08-01 06:41:30
#40 UncleJeet
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Celebration, because I imagine its mostly filled with right wingers and people who make more money in an hour than I'll ever see in my lifetime.

That reminds me of this great line Christopher Lloyd delivers in the pilot episode of The Tick:
Arthur, my time is worth seventeen dollars a second. I want an explanation, and I want it to cost less than fifteen hundred dollars! Go!
#44 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 06:43:02
7.1?  Wow... Let me ask you this, do they have a speaker that'll fit anywhere?

#45 by UncleJeet
2004-08-01 06:44:48
Bend over and I'll show you.

Pick me!  Pick me!
#46 by Sgt Hulka
2004-08-01 06:48:24
Bring it to IRC Bitch!

#47 by UncleJeet
2004-08-01 06:54:22
You will rue the day!

Pick me!  Pick me!
#48 by BobJustBob
2004-08-01 07:10:17
Thinking...

Dood.
#49 by m0nty
2004-08-01 07:32:44
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
UncleJeet (#47):
You will rue the day!

.. zot yoo verr effer born a Fronkenshtein!
#50 by bago
2004-08-01 17:08:15
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Now start rueing!

By the way, if signatures weren't for perverts, I'd totally sig this.
#51 by Trunks
2004-08-01 23:45:01
For the Star Wars fanboys, Ep 3 posters.  Not sure how long these will stay up.

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3

#52 by VeeSPIKE
2004-08-02 00:09:31
The first and the third one suck. The second one is not bad, considering the back to the 70's artwork.

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#53 by VeeSPIKE
2004-08-02 00:09:43
Thinking...

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#54 by Eyegore
2004-08-02 00:20:56
http://home.cfl.rr.com/eyegore/gallery.htm
I agree #2 is best but they could do better to make it a little more varied.
#55 by Dumdeedum
2004-08-02 00:45:52
http://www.dumdeedum.com
They look more like fan art than official posters to me, are they actually legit?

#56 by yotsuya
2004-08-02 00:49:29
No. The first one doesn't fit the theme of what Star Wars posters look like, and Darth Vader looks SD, to boot!

That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#57 by Trunks
2004-08-02 00:53:29
Those images were cleaned up from photos of hanging posters.  The original photos were posted earlier this morning and were taken down a few hours ago.

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